Pursuit of The Ideal Man

No, this is not a post about women pursuing men.

Instead, this is a post on men pursuing The Man. Rather, about Men pursuing the idealized version of ourselves.

 

The Ideal Man

We all have images in our heads of who we want to be. They vary from person to person. We want to be a physically fit, physically attractive man. We want to be a good partner dancer. We want to master a martial art. We want to write. To Draw. To be an artist. To be a voice of reason for change. To own a business. To learn a language. To give ourselves a self taught education of the classics and philosophy. To be well dressed. To Lead. To travel. To be charismatic. To be financially stable. To be self sustaining in power, food, water.

Some people might want to be this guy:

24, of, the, greatest, dos, equis, the, most, interesting, man, in, the, world, quotes, video,

Or this one:

Or this one:

There are many other options for what you can want to hold within yourself as your own ideal self.

There are just as many reasons for why we might choose the ideals we desire to see in ourselves. And even the different parts of that image might be drawn from different desires. Shits and giggles. Desire to achieve a goal. A career. Happiness. Family. Stability. Safety. Health. A desire for long term relationships/marriage. A simple, masculine desire for competition. Because society told you so. Because religion told you so. Because a woman told you so. Because a role model inspired you to do so.

Some of these are healthy. Some are unhealthy. Some are one or the other depending on the situation, or both at once.

Many people chose who they want to be almost on a whim, or simply because one of the above told them to. Here in the manosphere, we put more thought into it. We look at life, our own individual abilities, our environment, and we make a choice for what we want to achieve of the options available to us. We look at men who have the kind of life we want, and we imitate the parts we think are relevant to their success, or the parts of their success we want to achieve.

 

So We Create Programs

Which is natural. Others may delude themselves that they can just wake up a changed man. We know better here. We know that fitness, education, leadership, charisma – really any self improvement – is a life long commitment. We create short term goals, that lead to mid term successes, that will set us up to achieve life achievements and improvements of our quality of life. Roosh put it great in his description of campaigns. We set goals, we dedicate ourselves to that goal by making willing sacrifices in other parts of our lives (sometimes temporary, sometimes not), and then we reach it. We either make sustaining it part of our routines or we smile, bask in a short sense of satisfaction, and move to the next chapter.

Yet sometimes we fall off the horse. We fail because we’re human. Because of circumstances outside of our control involving health, career, finances, legal issues. Because we’re too reckless, too wild, or too overconfident in our abilities. Sometimes we self sabotage.

 

Enter Self Shame and Getting Stuck

I’ve already posted a great deal of my new knowledge and viewpoints on shame vs guilt and how it has affected the hindsight view of my road to alpha. However there was something else I wanted to explore, and I think it is immensely important to those of us within the manosphere focusing on self improvement. That is how our ideals and goals can hurt us irrecoverably if we come from a place of shame. I didn’t expect to find the answer where I did, but when I wrote the original Shame Vs Guilt article I emailed Ricky Raw. The email exchange gave me the answer I was looking for:

Me

Hey Ricky,

I just read your articles on NLU about shame and guilt. I’ve been around the manosphere and blogging for over a year now; but while I’ve read some of your posts and your articles I never really dug into your writing before.
 
Now I think I know why.
 
Those articles filled in a piece of the puzzle on how I’ve lived my life and about my personality that I wasn’t aware of before – with the knowledge it makes a great deal more sense. I was operating on a shame based mindset for entire swaths of my life, interrupted by blinding and burning periods of great productivity when I would get so frustrated with myself that I said “screw it”. I never knew why that was before, so eventually it would slip out of my fingers after a period of success where I got to a comfortable place again and revert to my old habits.
 
As such, it makes sense now why I avoided your articles – they simply would have required too much inward driven thought. I would have found it painful to see the image of myself I had built up as the illusion it is. It would have required me to destroy that image I’d invested in to build the reality of the man which I had neglected.
 
I’m writing this both as a thank you and to check with you on if this is indeed how the shame vs guilt mindset works. I want to make sure the foundation I’ve now found is solid, so that I can tear the bad parts of old one down to build the new one. I also wrote a more in depth blog post about it and my life at http://stagedreality.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/ditch-the-shame-find-the-guilt-find-the-alpha/
 
If you have time for a response with your thoughts to this email or the blog post, I’d be grateful.
Thanks,
- Chad
Ricky Raw
I think you’re headed to the right track except for one thing. You still seem to put a premium on hitting the “ideal man” status, whether that entails being an alpha or some other ideal identity. The idea that your value is dependent on you achieving some specific ideal identity is still related to shame. You have value as a worthwhile person whether you’re a beta, alpha, omega, whatever. There’s nothing wrong with aspiring to be whatever, it’s just that I think people need to exercise some self-compassion for themselves even when they don’t hit these goals. 

Me

Hmmmm….

 
That makes sense. Without self compassion it becomes about oneself instead of about your actions and correcting them. Especially if your mental process ties in the action you should be doing to the shame. Go to the gym, stay on your diet, etc. If your mind ties shame together with the action or inaction it would self perpetuate until you showed yourself that compassion, forgave yourself, and moved on.
 
Thanks man,
- Chad

Ricky Raw

Yes exactly. 

 

The simple and short email exchange showed how if we hold up an image of our Ideal Self we can be blinded by the perfection of the image to the dangers and realities around us or begin unknowingly using the image to put ourselves down. Sometimes our ideals are simply too perfect for a human to achieve. To say so at the start is a cope out for haters, under achievers, for those too scared to dream. To continue believing when evidence is overwhelming that you won’t be able to achieve your ideal – for any reason outside of your control – is delusional. To continue believing and hurting yourself is coming from a place of shame.

Additionally, feeling like you are a horrible, shitty, lazy, etc. person for not going to the gym, going to the bars, reading a book – whatever, can be unhealthy. Becoming obsessed over your short comings will lead to a mindset of shame instead of one of guilt. Plan out your day to overcome the issue. Think of a way or method that can help you do what is needed and fill in for those short comings.

Don’t obsess over your short comings

If you let your mind tie in a feeling of shame with not doing an action the simple thought of correcting your mistakes becomes painful. This is unhealthy and will never let you correct the mistake

Don’t feel shitty that who you are isn’t who you want to be, nor that you can’t instantly become an idealized version of self. Life is a journey and a process, you will fail, fall, hurt, and overcome. Just as with lifting at the gym, if you never feel pain you’re doing something wrong. The only reason someone would never fail is because they set themselves mediocrity as a goal, not because they’re amazingly talented. Same for game, charisma, leadership – any goal.

Dust yourself off, adjust, and keep hustling.

 

Today’s Lesson

Don’t be Icarus – a complete wreck and loss of life in pursuit of a blind, out of reach, unrealistic ideal.

Don’t be a slug satisfied with whatever damp moldy hole you find yourself in until a boot comes along.

Find your life as a man.

And own it.

 

14 comments to Pursuit of The Ideal Man

  1. Wudang says:

    Great post! I am enjoying the direction you have been taking lately.

    Although I have never given the shame/guilt thing any thought directly I have for a long time been of the belief that the starting point for growth always needs to be self love and self acceptance. Which is why I think starting out with the inner smile meditation and doing work on trauma release/body dearmoring is an incredibly good way to start out any sort of self development journey. The inner smile very specifically teaches you to love yourself and feel compassion for yourself and to have a gentle equanimity towards whatever you are feeling weather good or bad. The inner smile over time leads to a lot of quick work on releasing past trauma. You will be be peeling of layers of bad feelings you have been carrying. It can be specific stuff from a breakup, your parents divorce, shaming from teachers or yous negative self conceptions that grew over time and is with you as suboncious patterns that lie as tension patterns in your body that you are unaware of.

    Various sorts of therapies that you can have done on you or do yourself work very goal oriented at releasing trauma and armoring patterns directly and fast and these can speed up the process. David Bercelis Trauma Release Exercises, somatic experiencing, rolfing therapies, tantric bodywork aimed especially at freeing up sexual holding patterns etc. So much of our problems solve themselves when this work gets done. Many self development projects will fall away because they naturally got accomplished without trying. It is pretty natural that deleting and healing what has harmed you psychologically will fix and awful lot of stuff. Once such basic work is done the more goal oriented self development work can be done far better and far safer.

    In addition to the general self love the inner smile cultivates it lets you do specific work on any aspects on your emotional life. You can zone in on the center in your body that relates to fear or the one that relates to courage or the one that relates to self trust or the ones that relate to self assertiveness etc.

    I think for many people in our culture and especially someone working on game the standing meditation posture Wuji is supremely useful. Different form of meditations have very different effects although they share certain global effects such as relaxation and concentration etc. Wuji is especially good at reducing fear and worry, building self esteem (somewhat different from a rawer confidence the way I see it), it takes you out of your head and into your body and gives you a sense of groundedness and rootedness to the earth, it gives you a sense of inner stillness and equanimity which is a deep masculine quality. I tend to think of alpha as having a yin and yang aspect. You have the raw self assertiveness and you have the calm self contentedness that stands rooted like a mountain and sense of inner stillness (related to the aloofness thing). The rawer self assertiveness relates to getting there and defending your position. The calm centerdness relates to being secure in the position.

    Like all standing meditation it perfects your posture in a natural way.

  2. Thanks for the compliments Wudang.

    Curious, do you know of a good source of a primer for various meditation techniques? I’ve been considering starting meditating since I first started exploring the Shame that was really messing with my mental attitude and head space.

    I’ve found myself thinking more about my views, energy, and daily plans in the ‘down time’ I have walking, traveling, performing mindless tasks, etc. Before now I’d been focusing on my posture and situational awareness as described by Young Hunter’s Eyes Above the Dash post. Basically using the time that would otherwise be wasted towards the self improvement I could achieve during my daily routines. With my bodily posture solidly ingrained at this point to where I only need a mental reminder every couple days, I’m looking to be able to include focus on my mental posture through out the day as well.

    So I’m curious if you know a good place for quick descriptions of various techniques so that I can choose which I want to pursue learning and practicing for whatever state I find myself in. I have no idea if this is something I’d have time to do while reading Odyssey, but my feeling is that I may need to set Odyssey aside temporarily to get this down for my own well being; much like I set Iliad aside for a time to read Starting Strength for my physical health needs.

  3. Wudang says:

    I am not sure if I know about quick overview but Shinzen Young is a great teacher. He has good stuff on his webpage in the article section and his CDs and writings are absolutely top notch. Daniel Goleman wrote a book explaining differences in various traditions, but its a whole book. Bill Bodri at meditationexpert has very good instructions for meditation and describes many, many different styles so that would be a place to look. He is an idiot with lots of strange opinions and a narcisist so don`t pay much attention to all his various opinions just his basic instructions.

    I think if you google arround for descriptions of various styles you should find basic guides.

    It can be really hard for some to still the mind. IN the begining many exerience zero results and lots of frustration. Keeping at it almost always leads to results but which techniques work best for each person varies a lot. Some can`t still the mind just focusing ont he breath but can do so focusing on visualizations or mantras.

    Two important categories are concentration styles and insight styles. Concentration styles take you deeper and deeper into super focused states that are blissful and enjoyable. This has many mental benefits and it is good for cleaning out psychological issues. They stabilize and clean the mind. INsight styles are dependent on already having a basic level of concentration or they just don`t work. While concentration styles generally have a narrow focus (the smaller the object the more extreme the focus generally, insight styles tend to be more open and are more about having an awareness that sees everything and lets it pass and dissolve. One will often look deeply into the sensations and stuff in the mind to see how they drift and that none of that stuff fundamentally is you. This leads you through a progression of insights that takes you through distinct stages where you change quite a lot. The stages feel very similar for most people. SOme of these are great and some are rough. One is called the dark night of the soul and can be the most extreme despair you will ever feel. Eventually you come to a certain point where you get a permanent and deep shift that will forever make you be a lot less bothered by pain of all sorts and always have access to a baseline good feeling even when you feel bad. It is a state of extreme non neediness and outcome independence in a sense.This shift can then be deepened through further practice and that takes a lifetime. What you want is to focus on concentration styles for quite some time first.

    An extremely common technique is to focus on the breath in the lower belly. This is a very good place to start. YOu can also focus on the breath pasing in your nostrils. THat is often easier to focus on in a conentrated way but can take you too much into your head. YOu need to get into your body in the begining. Visualisations can be great but can also be a bit too mental. Mantras are often easier for people to still the mind with because repeating a word blocks the thinking process well. Mantras also often take you deeper faster than breath based meditations. Breath based meditations can often be better at keeping you in the here and now and leave less difference between the meditative mind and daily life than mantras which can sometimes for some lead to a split between the extacy of meditation and and daily life.

    Meditating standing is my personal favorutie and it leads to very profound shifts in how you are in your body. They also tend to produce a lot of active energy. You can do postures that increase testosterone and “warrior energy” so much so that you will feel like you are about to explode with it if you want.

    Loving kindness meditation takes you into states of self love and compassion for others.

    Various breathing techniques can be used to acomplish all sorts of goals in terms of changing your mental states. They can be easier to focus on then meditation objects because they are active. Breathing techniques can be quite dangerous.

    Alchemical styles are ones where you foucs on energy centers such as chakras or an organ and produce and manipulate the energy here. YOu can then move it arround in the body to other centers and acomplish various goals with this. You can for example engineer your way very close to the first permanent shift in insight meditation and get that shift from there after just having moved energy around rather than doing it the insight way. Generally I would advice simple concentration methods before doing alchemy for safety reasons and just to be able to make them work.

    You can also just meditate on your body as a whole or sensations in your body or sounds or the contact with the floor. You can do walking meditation and focus on the sensations under the soles of your feet.

    This was a bit of a bastardized McDonnels style overview but it gives a general picture and some importnat points across about various styles.

    If you struggle with stilling the mind I advice doing 10-20 min of a moving qigong style instead. If meditation does not work well for you in the start you just suffer. But with a moving qigong style you get a lot of benefit even when your mind is not fully still. Eventually teh effects of the qigong will make stilling the mind easy. SO you get a benefit to keep you motivated fast and this keeps you going until you get deeper.

    Mindfulness based meditation styles and presence meditation is perfect for you to focus on in daily life in the dead periods.

    In this thread I describe the difference between masculine and feminien styles of meditation:

    http://marriedmansexlife.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/90734/#Comment_90734

  4. Drama says:

    GREAT post. Too much pessimism is a real killer(i know cause I am one). When someone recognizes that they control the success they have through their effort they will have a life of freedom and opportunity that most people can only hear about but not understand.

  5. Emma the Emo says:

    That seems very familiar to me.. I used to be very perfectionist, which didn’t hurt my achievement TOO bad, and didn’t lead to too many bad things, but was still a dangerous condition. I say it’s a dangerous condition, because it can lead to procrastination, redoing things you should leave alone, and thus having only mediocre achievements.

    It can also make you demand of yourself that you become pefect, right now, on the spot, and don’t do any mistakes or slip ups anymore. Didn’t go to the gym today? Massive disappointment with yourself, bad feelings and desire to just start over.

    Forgiving slip ups and mistakes is extremely important. Having them means you’re learning something. They are there so you can become even better than you were before. The demand that you must be perfect right now, robs you of that opportunity. One must always look forward, but learn from mistakes and admit them. But never beat yourself up over anything – it stops progress.

  6. @ Wudang
    Thanks man. I just entered a some rough days till Thursday, but I’ll check it out and see what works for me. Sounds like the concentration to start – warm myself up to being able to control my mental state and energy before messing too much with it.

  7. @ Drama
    Glad you liked it.

    But yeah, it’s definitely a lot about control and how you view things within and outside of your control. Not only do you control your successes, but also your failures and how you respond to them or outside forces influencing your own efforts.

  8. @ Emma
    Yeah, it certainly puts one through a wringer. Sounds like you have a specific instance in mind from how strongly you’re responding to it. That or that you’re just glad you’re past that point in your life.

  9. Dr. Illusion says:

    I sometimes feel mild depression if I skip a workout or eat more than once in a day.

    Then I start drinking and all is well. Booze is the answer to all problems.

  10. YOHAMI says:

    Great stuff, and I had a similar exchange with Raw about a year ago. I couldnt bare my own existence if I wasnt the Ideal, and kept working towards it but fueled by shame. His writing goes deep.

  11. Yeah. It honestly took a great deal of courage for me to begin reading more of his stuff. I’d read the reader letters and left off since then. I always some excuse not to read.

    I’m glad I finally manned up and made myself weather the storm rather than simply hiding from myself under a rock

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